EpicBattleCry - Will Dark Souls Sell Out Like Dead Space? [PLUS WEEKLY WRAP-UP]

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Comment by Berserkaren on July 25, 2014 at 10:50am

I also prefer ME1 to ME2. Sorry DK. I prefer ME3 to ME2 even. I think a few series have sold out, still some have become popular and some has crashed and burned.

Comment by StarBound on July 25, 2014 at 11:56am

Dark Souls isn't my cup of tea so I won't care if it sells out. Dead Space also isn't mine but I enjoyed DS3 mainly because I had no expectation going into it and I wasn't looking for a survival horror when I got to play it. That said, it's not a series I will keep on buying if ...when they create more of them.

Obviously its about making money at the end of the day. But again looking at my favourite company in the world, Blizzard, they haven't put out any bad titles and their titles always remained close to their core experiences (except WoW which killed the warcraft rts).

All games in a series needs to evolve while the core should remain in tact.

Comment by Equinoxe on July 25, 2014 at 1:50pm

Here's the thing. Leave Dead Space in the survival horror genre. If you want an action oriented 3rd person shooter, create a new IP. But nooooo. Not with EA. Buggers. I loved the first DS. The second not so much. The third I haven't even touched yet (although I do have it in my backlog from some sale).

Comment by battlebattle on July 25, 2014 at 2:15pm

i think the most annoying part of companies selling out that tony or dk didnt hit on as to why it hits gamers so hard is that without our support of the original, spreading it through forums and word of mouth it wouldnt have reached a point where it could sell out.

then they just say hey guys thanks for making us a household name, later nerds.

i also like mass effect 1 better than 2. as a matter of fact when i got mass effect 2 it was the first game i actually wrote a list of things to present on the bioware forum because it was so blatantly watered down, instead i just traded in. i didnt actually play it until a week before mass effect 3 was about to come out and now that i look back 2 was pretty good, 1 is still better.

Comment by Buster Mack on July 25, 2014 at 2:27pm

For me Dead Space franchise is a very big deal to me and my wife. We thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 in the series. The first game is my #2 all time favorite on favslist. The story is excellent along with the gameplay and pacing. Anyway, when a game becomes more watered it down its unfair for the true fans and only sometimes does it come back around to greatness. I was disappointed in God of War Ascension, Gears of War Judgment, Ninja Gaiden 3, FEAR 3, and Dead Space 3. It is unfair to the original developers that these publishers push to add mainstream elements and take advantage of the magic they were able to create.

Good question spawning a great discussion guys

Comment by Aaron B on July 25, 2014 at 3:42pm
I can't see the dark souls franchise selling out. I suppose it's possible, but it's the publishers who ruin the games, and seeing as From Software is now making exclusives for Sony once again, i wouldn't count on it. Sony usually lets the devs do whatever they feel will be best.
Comment by Rowan - AzureCantabile on July 25, 2014 at 6:21pm

I have to side with ber on the ME thing, ME2 is my least favourite of the trilogy. And let's not forget that after ME2 came out and went fully 90% shooter, 5% dating sim 5% RPG, a lot of people were saying the series sold out at 2.

but despite being known as an 'ME3 apologist', I do think the series sold out. I mean, back when EBA had articles I wrote multiple complaining that Bioware was being rushed (and praising games like spec ops/binary domain in favor of it). From Edmonton desperately begging for delays on the original ridiculous turn around time, ME is a definite example of a franchise that 'sold out' in terms of sequels being rushed to support a quarter rather than purely for artistic merit. But that definition applies to most triple-A franchises out there, and I still enjoyed ME3 quite a lot, largely for the great amount of post-launch support it's multiplayer received especially. it is, after all the game that convinced me that the map pack model is completely outdated and kept rolling out great expansions and new systems/mechanics over the course of a year.

and I think that 'selling out' is a subjective thing that some people will conclude has happened long before others will. E.g. I enjoyed Dead Space 3 a lot more than 2, and there are people who would argue to you that Dark Souls 2 has already 'sold out'.
.g. I enjoyed Dead Space 3 a lot more than 2, and there are people who would argue to you that Dark Souls 2 has already 'sold out'.

Really, beyond it becoming 'cool' to think so on the internet, I don't think you can conclusively say a franchise is ruined or sold out definitively. Because certain people will point to some things as selling out and some would to others.

Comment by stoneocean6 on July 26, 2014 at 11:35am

its such a great time in gaming when it comes to choice. just support the people taking a more interesting approach. selling out is an frustrating concept to me when talking about BIG studios. going with the Rush analogy.. rush is a band of three people? EA and other big companies have to look after their hundreds of employees so it’s not just a gamble for a "company" its a gamble for the workers. if it doesn't sell they might not be able to keep of staff. creativity/growth verses stability a hard line to walk.

 

Comment by Lindsay Carter on July 26, 2014 at 8:35pm

My thoughts are close to those of Aaron B's. I feel as if publisher's are the guilty party when it comes to a series "selling out". Ironic as to which games people point fingers at, just look at who they were published by. Sadly, developers are right behind them, especially larger studios who work closely or are in contract with certain publishers.

Needless to say, I find it a little amusing as to why anyone would think the next From Software game(s) would be a "sell out". Bloodborne is NOT a Soul's game. I say this often..."If it aint broke, don't fix it." From Software is taking what Soul's fans love the most and using it as a backbone in making their next IP. Why is that a bad thing?

And if you want to be technical, Dark Souls 2 would be the third in said series.

I understand the need to make correlations at times for the sake of conversation, but I think people who believe or are worried of such a thing are just prematurely jumping the gun for the sake of wanting to complain about something.

Comment by Rowan - AzureCantabile on July 27, 2014 at 12:48am

As Lindsay said, people in the gaming industry do quite often lean a little too heavy on using whole other companies/franchises/situations as analogies and that kinda comes from the presumption that the industry is cyclical. 

People kinda of tend to have blinders on, so I find it ironic that a successful franchise/developer attracts ire and worry like FromSoft (I just want otogi 3 or another armoured core) but a developer like Gearbox is relatively insulated from the fallout to more than half their games being in contention for worst game of the year when they came out.

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