Comment by Amrit Randay on March 1, 2013 at 6:51pm

John Marston's son was named Jack, not Jake.  I couldn't disagree with you more here.  For me, RDR was the exact opposite and one of the best games I have ever played, if not the best ever, and it has made me trust R* more than ever.  

The horse controls were wonky at first, but after 40 hours, you didn't manage to get used to them?  That is pretty odd.  They weren't even particularly bad IMO.  I'll never forget my first playthrough.  I did everything in the game and was totally immersed in the game world.  Moments like entering Mexico with "Far Away" playing in the background were awe-inspiring and simply beautiful.  I remember countless times where I would just ride my horse slowly through New Austin and the open frontier with my jaw on the floor at how beautiful the scenery was.  

John Marston's story was fantastic too, and it was devastating to see him die for me.  After all I had done to stop Bill Williamson, Javier Escuella, and Dutch Van der Linde, I was killed anyways.  After the game was complete, I remember a scene in particular with John and Bonnie MacFarlane where John said "People don't forget.  Nothing gets forgiven."  That scene was like a foreshadowing of John's inevitable death, and I only realized it after I had beat the game.  

I still think the game is a masterpiece, and I have played through it like 5 times.  I never played it with the auto-aim on (I've always hated that R*added that option in) and with the mini-map off.  That playthrough with expert aim and the mini-map off had to have been one of the most immersive gaming experiences I have ever had.

I loved the gunplay (especially with expert aim on) and it was satisfying as ever.  Sure, it took a long time to get used to, but it was so worth it and made the game that much more fun.

Also, you missed the true ending to the game.  When you play as Jack, you have one more mission and it was some red dead redemption.  

Comment by Roburt on March 1, 2013 at 8:24pm

I thought the story was ridiculous:

I need to help the feds hunt down this criminal. So I'm gonna go murder Mexicans and fight pretty much the entire Mexico altogether. Or maybe I could just go rescue my family.

And then the whole: You gotta save your family thing. I don't even care for them, why do I even want to bother doing that? You know what? I'm gonna go pick some flowers and fuck around because I really don't care.

And how did Marsten even lose to all those cops at the end?

I feel like the game forced me to lose through cutscenes. It was pretty unfair and silly.

And did anybody really buy that Marsten was an outlaw? He's super polite, helps everyone out, not a single bad habit, a family man, and never even cuss. All the "outlaw"-ness about Marsten were told to the player, never really experienced, and the game goes out of the way to contradict that.

The gunplay was way too easy. If you can shoot a bird hundreds of feet in the air with a rifle mounted, you know your game's broken.

Granted. The game is quite beautiful. And just like Skyrim, it's good because it's big and pretty.

Comment by Amrit Randay on March 1, 2013 at 8:51pm

@Roburt

He was an outlaw, but he was trying to forget his past and set up a future with him and his family.  It's mentioned in the game a whole bunch of times and I'm surprised you missed that bit.  Unless you mean the moral choices you make in the game contradict the story R* was telling, then I see your point.  If you went the route of being an outlaw, the cutscenes would definitely contradict then.  It wasn't a problem for me because I never see myself as being as being an outlaw and I loved the game more when I was an honourable person, reinforcing the story R* was trying to tell (and I personally enjoyed it more).  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gBctl1h_2o <--- The trailer specifically has John say he used to be an outlaw and rode in a gang, but he left  the gang when the gang left him to die.  

He was helping the government hunt down his former brothers because the government had his family "hostage."  He was forced to do it, and this was also mentioned so many times in the game.  It's what the game was about.  I really don't understand your gripes with the game to be honest.  He needed to do those missions in Mexico to get information on Javier Escuella and Bill Williamson (who fled for Mexico after the encounter at Fort Mercer). 

The shooting in R* games has always been easy, if you play it with the normal aiming on.  It's basically a lock on system, so of course it would be too easy.  If you tried this game with the expert aiming on, and the HUD off, it is so much more challenging and immersive.  

Comment by Christopher Brady on March 2, 2013 at 12:23am

Apologies, I've not touched RDR in about 4 weeks.

Marston, be default was too skilled to be killed by those feds, especially with Dead Eye.  However, it's the bait and switch that bothered me so much.  And I can't stand it when it happens in movies, stories and games.  It's a me thing.

Otherwise, the story was standard Western fair, and I've seen a LOT of the old Westerns.  My dad is a fan of them.

Comment by Amrit Randay on March 2, 2013 at 2:13pm

But that bait and switch you hate so much made absolute sense for this game.  It was done so right for me, and it left me so emotionally affected.  His death was alluded to so many times in the game and you only realize this after it has been beaten.  Did you do the "I Know You" side mission.  Apparently, according to to others, the strange person was God, and he even showed you where you would be eventually buried.  Some say he is more of a representation of Death.  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsF4azS5m6s

Comment by Christopher Brady on March 2, 2013 at 4:40pm

Maybe it felt right for you, but I didn't feel compelled to restart an emotional investment for a character I did know or cared about near the end of the game.

I really liked John, but Jack? Nope, don't care enough to continue to play. There needed to be more for me to want to try him. There wasn't to me.

Comment by Amrit Randay on March 2, 2013 at 5:45pm

Fine.  That's cool I guess, and I respect your opinion.  But I guess we'll just agree to disagree.  Because you gave the game back prematurely, you missed the last mission like I mentioned earlier.  It was a nice way to end it :)

Comment by Amrit Randay on March 2, 2013 at 7:07pm

Come on Brent and Lorin, help me out here. I'm not the only one that loved RDR! :D

Comment by Madmouse on March 5, 2013 at 7:25pm

Wait a minute i played RDR to end plus undead nightmare, where did Jonh Marston died?

Comment by Christopher Brady on March 5, 2013 at 8:05pm

He died after her returned home, trained his son and got shot by some government stooges.

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