The Axe Factor 142: Passed Through My Lips

Grab the donuts and the kerosene, its The Axe Factor! This week, we prepare ourselves for Telltale's The Walking Dead Season 2, correct our mistake of not discussing The Witcher trailer from the VGX and discuss the recent blitzkrieg of gameplay copyright notices being unleashed on YouTubers.


This Week:

What We’re Watching:

The Walking Dead: Season Two - Episode 1 - All That Remains

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Debut Gameplay Trailer

LEGO The Last of Us

What We’re Reading:

YouTuber Controversy with Address the Sess


Game Informer reports on YouTube Content Claims

What We’re Playing:

Saints Row IV - How the Saints Save Christmas

Star Wars The Old Republic

Battlefield 4

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Comment by Arturo Espinoza on December 17, 2013 at 1:25am

DayZ standalone alpha early access is available at steam

Comment by Ian - Alexander Arts on December 17, 2013 at 2:02am

Mass Effect 2 on PS3 gave you a comic book Prologue where you could make the choices from the first game. That was great for me because I had played the first one on PC.

Comment by Ian - Alexander Arts on December 17, 2013 at 2:08am

I just beat Witcher 1 and am working on Witcher 2 now. I'd say Witcher 1 is really rough and a bit of a slog but so far 2 seems to be much improved. If you're going to play them before Witcher 3, I think just playing 2 is probably enough... or maybe read the books?

Comment by Christopher Brady on December 17, 2013 at 3:03am

The Imperial Best Story in SWTOR is the Bounty Hunter.  It doesn't matter which race or gender you choose, you get the same awesome story.  The Imperial Agent's expects you to be Human and an Operative.  Because Imperials are touchy (Racist) against aliens, being an Alien would normally be discriminated, but because the story isn't written with that sort of tension in mind, it skips it, to some odd reactions.

Comment by Aussie Legend on December 17, 2013 at 4:31am

A few erroneous points in the main point I can help you with, I know neither of you are that closely tied to that scene so its all good (and yes you're right it is confusing as fuck) but there is one thing I need to correct because it's one of the most important parts. You mention affiliated partners but there is actually two types of partners, and this is the part where Google tries to eat its cake and eats it.

You mention that this Content ID system has just recently been applied to partners and that's not totally true. The content ID system has always been implemented and utilised against every single person who uploads a video on youtube, its just that anyone who was a partner of a Multi-Channel Network (Machinima, Polaris, Rev3 etc) are automatically white-listed and are therefore free from any actual claims being submitted there way (and like you correctly mention, because it was meant to be the job of the MCN's to patrol that part). What has changed however is now these partners, who were just made up of everyone under that umbrella have been segregated into these 'affiliated' and 'managed' sectors. Basically what has happened is the top 5% or so (the guys with the huge fanbases: Pewdiepie, the Yogscast, Smosh, CynicalBrit/Totalbiscuit/Owner of all the money in the universe) have become managed with youtube itself, but the other 95% have become 'affiliates' which essentially means you've been relegated and now no longer enjoy the protection that they previously had from this kind of nonsense.

On top of youtube throwing all the people who aren't making them the big bucks to the kerb, they also implemented last Monday the new version of their content ID (which is how this all kerfuffle got started) and it is ridiculously more aggresive than the last iteration. And sadly this is part one of the two part process youtube is going through, the next one begins on the first of January and it is far more dire than this first pass sadly, and that is the one where most gaming/LP channels will just cease to exist and/or disappear as the person making that content can no longer afford to make that his/her full-time job (unless something changes between now and then).

So, that combination has a LOT of really well known guys who just don't quite make it to that  highest echelon (I'm even talking about guys with million+ subs, AngryJoe has over a million and he didn't make the cut to a managed partner, somehow). Hell, even well respected people like Jim Sterling are now subjected to this affiliate non-protected status and these are the people that will just leave. As far as I'm concerned you don't turn away the people whose literal job is to evangalise your game/gaming in general, it does not compute in my mind that you could somehow see this as negative (unless your game sucks, then I guess just make a better game). Yes I understand copyright issues and tricky and who really owns what is murky to put it lightly, bu if people don't feel secure and can't earn a living they will leave and that is a blow that they aren't seeing yet (luckily some companies are seeing this, guys like Ubisoft, Blizzard and most indies obviously). Basically if you're not Pewdiepie (who is the most subscribed channel on youtube btw, a lot of the highest subbed channels are gaming related actually) youtube don't give a shit about you, they're happy to send you out into the wildnerness and threaten your livelyhood to try and appease some suits and not think about the long term consequences (and like you both correctly point out, video game companies also have to take a step back and take a look at how they are going to handle this kind of 'new' media... I just hope that youtube doesn't implode beforehand)

Again, not trying to correct you just pointing out some facts that I think are important to the discussion

Also as far as I'm aware the Witcher 3's narrative is pretty standalone so you won't 'need' to play the other two/read the books (obviously you'll be missing out on a lot of character development and world building, but honestly there is a lot of media out there that can catch you up on that, even I've considered doing a video that catches people up with everything at some point). Obviously I would definately recommend playing through the Witcher 2 as its very very good if you can get past a few European game design idiosyncrasies, throw some mods on there for good measure too (especially the combat rebalance) and you'll have a very compelling time once you get past the rather lame first chapter.

Also Lorin you missed a great opportunity to make a "do you know the definition of insanity" joke, I am disappointed. Good show guys :)

Comment by Corax on December 17, 2013 at 7:10am

Having played both Witcher games and read the books, i would strongly suggest that you guys just skip the first Witcher game, but play the second one, since The Witcher 2 is such a great RPG. The first one is good as well but it with some flaws and The Witcher 2 have a nice cinematic recap of the first game (I think they hid it in the extras menu).

One really awesome thing about The Witcher 2 is that your decisions in the first chapter puts you on one of two sides in chapter 2 which adds a lot of replayability. I really the the mature theme of The Witcher franchise and the fact that the choices aren't the usual good vs evil.

Comment by Res Bellicae on December 17, 2013 at 7:28am

I just started listening to TAF but I wanted to chime in into the argument about the problems with games like Mass Effect & The Walking Dead and what can be done if I switch plattforms. BioWare is currently working on a tool for Dragon Age 3: Inqusition. With that tool you'll be able to choose which decisions you made in Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 and will than create a savegame for your plattform (PC, XB1, PS4) for Dragon Age 3 with these decisions.

Comment by Ian - Alexander Arts on December 17, 2013 at 7:31am

I think the Content ID system will start getting fixed when guys like Fraser from Video Games Awesome, Angry Joe, and Total Biscuit start sueing false copy-right claimers for disrupting their income and causing them financial harm. Pretty much all music played from a game during game-play while in use for a review falls under fair use. The problem is that these Youtubers don't have the legal knowledge or the money to hire lawyers to sue. If Angry Joe does a GTAV review and shows gameplay and that gameplay has licensed music in it, that will probably get flagged and Angry Joe will unfairly lose out on his income. I'm pretty sure he would be totally in the right legally. (Although I admit I also don't have a great grasp of the whole situation.)

To sum it up - this whole ID system smells like bullshit to me.

Comment by Miguel Ramos on December 17, 2013 at 10:11am

Game of the year and game of the generation axe factors??? Yes please, and thank you very much!

I may pick up season 2 of the Walking Dead, but not for now, too many games on the old backlog. I never played any of the Witchers, but I'm really looking forward for the Witcher 3. I love RPG's, and I love the freedom of open world games, so when you combine open world with RPG's with the renowned quality of the Witcher series, I'm really hyped for it.

The youtube debacle is pathetic. And maybe illegal. They cannot presume someone is guilty without any proof. And copyright law doesn't mean that if you have a small element in a video you have the right to all the royalties. If you use a 15 second music clip in a 30 minute video, the music creator cannot be paid for the entire video. The creator of the video, the maker of the show, also has copyrights for the things he done personally, so it's not just bullshit, it's also a complete rip off. And it will backfire against youtube. It's their fault. They implemented the system, not the developers, or any copyright owner. They are responsible for it.

Comment by StarBound on December 17, 2013 at 12:17pm

I'm going to come from the average user side because I'm not a law student or pretend to understand all the copyright laws involved.

Youtube should turn off this bot that it has and allow those claiming copyright to file the complaint. The fact that youtube/google is still getting its money means there is no incentive for them to hurry the process which ever way it goes.

The content that is being claimed for should also be considered when a claim is taken in. Taking the example of let's play, there is no copyright infringement from my point of view. Something is being shown that I would assume was bought or paid for. There is nothing to claim in that regard. The music came with the game, the footage is of the game and the main subject in this case is someone playing the game and showing the flaws or the tropes that he/she experiences.

To my knowledge a copyright claim is only valid in the case that someone is selling your material, copying your intellectual property (now IP laws) or giving away your product as copyright holder for free.


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